The only reason I haven't rated this a 5 is because we haven't tried it water! I love this! Doggone has nailed the concept. Easy for dogs to pick up on any surface, including flat surfaces, to reduce any type of discouragement about the disc. Very sturdy velcro for pocket, decent sized pocket, encourages return for human help with food dispensing. Flies like a fabric frisbee. Bonus with some tug play as another reinforcer (I don't want to damage edges yet since I do want to try this in water.) This convinced a 6 year old Golden with a beautiful retrieve to hand (taught by clicker), who loves the flirt pole, who will do active search and retrieves of scented items all day, but has zero interest in actual thrown objects, to play frisbee right out of the gate. Lotus ball was a total bust with her, when it has worked with others. She can't wait for me to open the velcro pocket and let her eat out of the disc and is raring to go again. I really wish I had found this sooner. Mainly to encourage jumping into water, but to be able to play short, joint friendly, frisbee sessions a few times a week for variety when I don't have time to set up hides, and have another reinforcer to use for training.